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		<title>By: Anne Lang Bundy</title>
		<link>http://adifferentstory.net/2009/07/14/a-deal-is-a-deal/#comment-1168</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for bringing this post to my attention in connection to my post about lying, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://building-his-body.blogspot.com/2009/12/hell-on-earth.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hell on Earth.&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (Hope that link works.) I&#039;ll repost here my comment there.

Lyla,

The story of Jephthah is definitely intriguing. His vow was that whatever came to him would be offered up to the Lord as an &lt;i&gt;&#039;olah&lt;/I&gt;. The Hebrew word literally means &quot;ascend,&quot; referring to something being offered &quot;up,&quot; the ascent of the altar steps, and the rising of smoke in a freewill burnt offering.

The vow was made after the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah. I&#039;m inclined to think that in the midst of that zeal, Jephthah declared his willingness to give all to the Lord without restraint. And though the Lord is not One with Whom we bargain, I do not think He was displeased with Jephthah&#039;s motive, however impulsive.

God did grant Japhthah&#039;s prayer. He might easily have allowed anything or anyone else to greet Jephthah. But instead, the Lord further tested his faith. Jephthah&#039;s agony seems greater than Abraham&#039;s at the point he offered Isaac. Yet Jephthah did not deny the Lord what he had vowed.

How does the story end? The daughter is given two months to &quot;bewail her virginity.&quot; She will never have a husband. After that, Scripture is a bit ambiguous: &quot;And it was so at the end of two months that she returned to her father, and he carried out his vow with her which he had vowed. She knew no man.&quot; (Judges 11:39 NKJV)

It says only that she knew no man, that is, never had sexual relations. It never says she was killed. She was a woman of faith. I cannot think her death would have pleased the Lord. There&#039;s room to believe that the daughter was not killed to be offered up as a burnt offering, but that she was in some other way offered &#039;up&#039; to the Lord. Perhaps she was given to the service of the tabernacle and the Levites, to never again see her family, to never have the Israelite woman&#039;s honor to bear a son.

We are left to simply believe that because Jephthah is included in the Faith Hall of Fame of Hebrews 11:32, he pleased the Lord.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for bringing this post to my attention in connection to my post about lying, &#8220;<a href="http://building-his-body.blogspot.com/2009/12/hell-on-earth.html" rel="nofollow">Hell on Earth.</a>&#8221; (Hope that link works.) I&#8217;ll repost here my comment there.</p>
<p>Lyla,</p>
<p>The story of Jephthah is definitely intriguing. His vow was that whatever came to him would be offered up to the Lord as an <i>&#8216;olah</i>. The Hebrew word literally means &#8220;ascend,&#8221; referring to something being offered &#8220;up,&#8221; the ascent of the altar steps, and the rising of smoke in a freewill burnt offering.</p>
<p>The vow was made after the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah. I&#8217;m inclined to think that in the midst of that zeal, Jephthah declared his willingness to give all to the Lord without restraint. And though the Lord is not One with Whom we bargain, I do not think He was displeased with Jephthah&#8217;s motive, however impulsive.</p>
<p>God did grant Japhthah&#8217;s prayer. He might easily have allowed anything or anyone else to greet Jephthah. But instead, the Lord further tested his faith. Jephthah&#8217;s agony seems greater than Abraham&#8217;s at the point he offered Isaac. Yet Jephthah did not deny the Lord what he had vowed.</p>
<p>How does the story end? The daughter is given two months to &#8220;bewail her virginity.&#8221; She will never have a husband. After that, Scripture is a bit ambiguous: &#8220;And it was so at the end of two months that she returned to her father, and he carried out his vow with her which he had vowed. She knew no man.&#8221; (Judges 11:39 NKJV)</p>
<p>It says only that she knew no man, that is, never had sexual relations. It never says she was killed. She was a woman of faith. I cannot think her death would have pleased the Lord. There&#8217;s room to believe that the daughter was not killed to be offered up as a burnt offering, but that she was in some other way offered &#8216;up&#8217; to the Lord. Perhaps she was given to the service of the tabernacle and the Levites, to never again see her family, to never have the Israelite woman&#8217;s honor to bear a son.</p>
<p>We are left to simply believe that because Jephthah is included in the Faith Hall of Fame of Hebrews 11:32, he pleased the Lord.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer @ Getting Down With Jesus</title>
		<link>http://adifferentstory.net/2009/07/14/a-deal-is-a-deal/#comment-372</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An upgrade on the &quot;mystery file.&quot; ... I like that. If they have a two-for-one deal, let me know. I&#039;m so in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An upgrade on the &#8220;mystery file.&#8221; &#8230; I like that. If they have a two-for-one deal, let me know. I&#8217;m so in.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyla Lindquist</title>
		<link>http://adifferentstory.net/2009/07/14/a-deal-is-a-deal/#comment-365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lyla Lindquist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laura, the more of His Word I take in, the more I have to wonder where I got some of the ideas I have of Who He is. Because He sure didn&#039;t say it the way I think it a lot of the time. So yes, for me as well, the questions poke in deep.

Jennifer, from your &quot;vacation computer&quot; -- I like that. And hope you are enjoying sweet rest. I have to keep getting space upgrades on my &quot;mystery file.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, the more of His Word I take in, the more I have to wonder where I got some of the ideas I have of Who He is. Because He sure didn&#8217;t say it the way I think it a lot of the time. So yes, for me as well, the questions poke in deep.</p>
<p>Jennifer, from your &#8220;vacation computer&#8221; &#8212; I like that. And hope you are enjoying sweet rest. I have to keep getting space upgrades on my &#8220;mystery file.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://adifferentstory.net/2009/07/14/a-deal-is-a-deal/#comment-359</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From my vacation computer, I&#039;ve stopped here earlier ... and come back again. I was speechless the first time, and nearly speechless now as well.

Lyla, I&#039;m continually in awe over how you tackle the toughest parts of Scripture and ask the toughest questions within. And you give us permission to ask the tough questions, too. 

I have a Mystery File at home, a manila folder where I tuck away questions about God that I don&#039;t get. This one belongs in the Mystery File. I don&#039;t have an answer, but I think you&#039;ve provided the best one I&#039;ve seen yet when you wrote this:

&quot;And so I must decide. Will I take Him as He is, bigger than I can comprehend, more complex than I’ll ever get my hands around?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my vacation computer, I&#8217;ve stopped here earlier &#8230; and come back again. I was speechless the first time, and nearly speechless now as well.</p>
<p>Lyla, I&#8217;m continually in awe over how you tackle the toughest parts of Scripture and ask the toughest questions within. And you give us permission to ask the tough questions, too. </p>
<p>I have a Mystery File at home, a manila folder where I tuck away questions about God that I don&#8217;t get. This one belongs in the Mystery File. I don&#8217;t have an answer, but I think you&#8217;ve provided the best one I&#8217;ve seen yet when you wrote this:</p>
<p>&#8220;And so I must decide. Will I take Him as He is, bigger than I can comprehend, more complex than I’ll ever get my hands around?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had forgotten about this story. Your questions penetrate. This is hard stuff. But it does make me consider my words more closely...I just love coming here and getting up close and intimate with the Bible story you are meditating on. Such good insights, Lyla!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had forgotten about this story. Your questions penetrate. This is hard stuff. But it does make me consider my words more closely&#8230;I just love coming here and getting up close and intimate with the Bible story you are meditating on. Such good insights, Lyla!</p>
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		<title>By: Lyla Lindquist</title>
		<link>http://adifferentstory.net/2009/07/14/a-deal-is-a-deal/#comment-355</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lyla Lindquist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jennifer, thanks for the suggestion, I&#039;ll definitely check it out (and perhaps add it to the leaning tower of books I&#039;m needing to read). Others have commented on the daughter&#039;s obedience as well -- I too am struck by this. Granted, her outlook on life would be radically different than yours and mine (I&#039;d have cried foul, wouldn&#039;t you?) yet the quiet walk to obedience is staggering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer, thanks for the suggestion, I&#8217;ll definitely check it out (and perhaps add it to the leaning tower of books I&#8217;m needing to read). Others have commented on the daughter&#8217;s obedience as well &#8212; I too am struck by this. Granted, her outlook on life would be radically different than yours and mine (I&#8217;d have cried foul, wouldn&#8217;t you?) yet the quiet walk to obedience is staggering.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt @ The Church of No People</title>
		<link>http://adifferentstory.net/2009/07/14/a-deal-is-a-deal/#comment-354</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great thought provoking post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thought provoking post!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://adifferentstory.net/2009/07/14/a-deal-is-a-deal/#comment-352</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You need to read &quot;The Trivialization of God: The Dangerous Illusion of a Manageable Deity&quot; by Donald McCullough.  I couldn&#039;t help but think of this book as I read your post.  What do we do with those parts of scripture that make us squirm and question how much we really know about the God we serve?  I still haven&#039;t found an answer to that.  In your story, I&#039;m gripped by the daughter&#039;s point of view--obedience, no matter the outcome.  She merely asked for some time to mourn.  Loss of life or loss of a husband and children...both were still devastating for her, both the death of her dreams.  How must she have felt?  How must her mother have felt?  So much missing from this passage that, like you, I want to know.  Even if the worst interpretation is true, I want to know.  I find the &quot;not knowing&quot; part to be the hardest...but I guess that&#039;s where the faith part of trusting God comes in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to read &#8220;The Trivialization of God: The Dangerous Illusion of a Manageable Deity&#8221; by Donald McCullough.  I couldn&#8217;t help but think of this book as I read your post.  What do we do with those parts of scripture that make us squirm and question how much we really know about the God we serve?  I still haven&#8217;t found an answer to that.  In your story, I&#8217;m gripped by the daughter&#8217;s point of view&#8211;obedience, no matter the outcome.  She merely asked for some time to mourn.  Loss of life or loss of a husband and children&#8230;both were still devastating for her, both the death of her dreams.  How must she have felt?  How must her mother have felt?  So much missing from this passage that, like you, I want to know.  Even if the worst interpretation is true, I want to know.  I find the &#8220;not knowing&#8221; part to be the hardest&#8230;but I guess that&#8217;s where the faith part of trusting God comes in.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyla Lindquist</title>
		<link>http://adifferentstory.net/2009/07/14/a-deal-is-a-deal/#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lyla Lindquist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deb, I thank you for your encouragement. I do.

No, I don&#039;t see in the text where God accepted or delighted in the sacrifice either. I hear His silence, and it chilled me a little. Still working through that. 

I want to believe He was appalled too, but the certainty of that conclusion is coming hard.

Bottom line for me is letting Him be Who He is . . . even when it doesn&#039;t feel good. I&#039;d much rather reform Him to my image than enlarge my view of Him, it seems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb, I thank you for your encouragement. I do.</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t see in the text where God accepted or delighted in the sacrifice either. I hear His silence, and it chilled me a little. Still working through that. </p>
<p>I want to believe He was appalled too, but the certainty of that conclusion is coming hard.</p>
<p>Bottom line for me is letting Him be Who He is . . . even when it doesn&#8217;t feel good. I&#8217;d much rather reform Him to my image than enlarge my view of Him, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyla Lindquist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lyla Lindquist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nancy, one of the sources I looked at took that very road -- that Jephthah&#039;s story gave us a picture of this sacrifice. Whether or not God wanted him to make that vow, nor to make the sacrifice, the truth is that it does give us a vivid picture of the pain that such an offering would bring. 

Now, get out of town and enjoy your trip!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy, one of the sources I looked at took that very road &#8212; that Jephthah&#8217;s story gave us a picture of this sacrifice. Whether or not God wanted him to make that vow, nor to make the sacrifice, the truth is that it does give us a vivid picture of the pain that such an offering would bring. </p>
<p>Now, get out of town and enjoy your trip!</p>
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